I wasn't sure this is what I was going to want BUT, When they arrived well I kind of fell in love. No camo, no almost black, just a nice outdoor neutral color.They are a mil thinner than my old one were but when I broke some ice out in the river they seem close to the same feel as the ond five mil ones I liked so much. The inseam is long enough for me as most seem to be for short heavy set people. The chest is big enough for a jacket underneath. I think these are destine to be my new favorite waders !